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	<title>Comments on: Warren Buffett and Bill Gates on the estate tax</title>
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		<title>By: Saul Elnadav</title>
		<link>http://www.trustsestateslaw.com/2009/05/warren-buffett-and-bill-gates-on-the-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Saul Elnadav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avrohom: I think you are construing the idea of a moral debt to society a little narrowly, as though it were a debt specifically to the U.S. government. Zelinsky would like to see at least some of the money intended for the public good go through the Treasury rather than charitable organizations. He places a lot of importance on the fact that &quot;the federal Treasury is controlled by the people of the United States through their elected representatives,&quot; while &quot;the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is controlled by Bill and Melinda Gates.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, it is perfectly natural, and I think appropriate, for someone who is giving his entire wealth back to society to plan for what he believes will make the biggest positive impact on society. And as long as it&#039;s legal to do so, why should his philanthropy take a back seat to what the people through their elected representatives deem the best use of his money? Just to make the point that the estate tax is morally defensible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avrohom: I think you are construing the idea of a moral debt to society a little narrowly, as though it were a debt specifically to the U.S. government. Zelinsky would like to see at least some of the money intended for the public good go through the Treasury rather than charitable organizations. He places a lot of importance on the fact that &#8220;the federal Treasury is controlled by the people of the United States through their elected representatives,&#8221; while &#8220;the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is controlled by Bill and Melinda Gates.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the other hand, it is perfectly natural, and I think appropriate, for someone who is giving his entire wealth back to society to plan for what he believes will make the biggest positive impact on society. And as long as it&#8217;s legal to do so, why should his philanthropy take a back seat to what the people through their elected representatives deem the best use of his money? Just to make the point that the estate tax is morally defensible?</p>
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		<title>By: rod</title>
		<link>http://www.trustsestateslaw.com/2009/05/warren-buffett-and-bill-gates-on-the-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, these two individuals carry little credibility on this issue. It is one thing to have billions of dollars, which after taxes will leave enough wealth to sustain many generations. It&#039;s entirely different to work your entire life, own a business, farm or just have 1 million dollars in wealth and have the government 50% of what your family could have to live on. It&#039;s simply not right for the &quot;state&quot; to have claim to that much of one&#039;s hard earned wealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, these two individuals carry little credibility on this issue. It is one thing to have billions of dollars, which after taxes will leave enough wealth to sustain many generations. It&#8217;s entirely different to work your entire life, own a business, farm or just have 1 million dollars in wealth and have the government 50% of what your family could have to live on. It&#8217;s simply not right for the &#8220;state&#8221; to have claim to that much of one&#8217;s hard earned wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: Avrohom Gefen</title>
		<link>http://www.trustsestateslaw.com/2009/05/warren-buffett-and-bill-gates-on-the-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Avrohom Gefen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If Buffett really believes that the best place for his money was the federal government, he should donate it all to the Treasury and encourage Bill Gates to do the same.&quot; I think you miss Zelinsky&#039;s point. From Buffet&#039;s viewpoint, Buffet doesn&#039;t need to believe that the federal govt. is the best place for his money to logically fund his foundation with after-tax money. Rather, if Buffet thinks that there is a debt owed to the U.S. for enabling the creation of his great wealth, then taxes should be paid, regardless of whether this is the absolute best use of the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Buffett really believes that the best place for his money was the federal government, he should donate it all to the Treasury and encourage Bill Gates to do the same.&#8221; I think you miss Zelinsky&#8217;s point. From Buffet&#8217;s viewpoint, Buffet doesn&#8217;t need to believe that the federal govt. is the best place for his money to logically fund his foundation with after-tax money. Rather, if Buffet thinks that there is a debt owed to the U.S. for enabling the creation of his great wealth, then taxes should be paid, regardless of whether this is the absolute best use of the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Saul Elnadav</title>
		<link>http://www.trustsestateslaw.com/2009/05/warren-buffett-and-bill-gates-on-the-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Saul Elnadav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigcitythinker: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I highly doubt that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are donating their wealth to charity for the purpose of avoiding estate tax.  As you say, this is clearly about supporting important causes.  However, the question, as posed by Professor Zelinsky, is why they do so in a way that avoids the estate tax if they&#039;ve also publicly supported the retention of the estate tax.  Why not give to charity on a taxable basis?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ll plead guilty to slippery-sloping Professor Zelinsky&#039;s suggestion that the Treasury get a significant share of the estates.  I don&#039;t know Professor Zelinsky, but by urging Gates and Buffett to give charity on a taxable basis, he probably does not mean that the best use of wealth is to turn it all over to the government.  But he does want to see Warren Buffett back up his support for the estate tax with actions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My point, though, is that the moral obligation for the wealthy to give back to society, attributed to both Gates and Buffet, is consistent with the kind of philanthropy Gates and Buffett are engaged in.  You don&#039;t have to wholeheartedly sign on to the U.S. government&#039;s spending policies to give back to society.  In fact, it appears that by not giving charity on a taxable basis, Warren Buffett is saying that the Gates Foundation will do more good with his money that the U.S. government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigcitythinker: </p>
<p>I highly doubt that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are donating their wealth to charity for the purpose of avoiding estate tax.  As you say, this is clearly about supporting important causes.  However, the question, as posed by Professor Zelinsky, is why they do so in a way that avoids the estate tax if they&#8217;ve also publicly supported the retention of the estate tax.  Why not give to charity on a taxable basis?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll plead guilty to slippery-sloping Professor Zelinsky&#8217;s suggestion that the Treasury get a significant share of the estates.  I don&#8217;t know Professor Zelinsky, but by urging Gates and Buffett to give charity on a taxable basis, he probably does not mean that the best use of wealth is to turn it all over to the government.  But he does want to see Warren Buffett back up his support for the estate tax with actions.</p>
<p>My point, though, is that the moral obligation for the wealthy to give back to society, attributed to both Gates and Buffet, is consistent with the kind of philanthropy Gates and Buffett are engaged in.  You don&#8217;t have to wholeheartedly sign on to the U.S. government&#8217;s spending policies to give back to society.  In fact, it appears that by not giving charity on a taxable basis, Warren Buffett is saying that the Gates Foundation will do more good with his money that the U.S. government.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigcitythinker</title>
		<link>http://www.trustsestateslaw.com/2009/05/warren-buffett-and-bill-gates-on-the-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigcitythinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your logic doesn&#039;t necessarily follow.  Just because Bill and Warren donate their fortune to charity does NOT mean that they do so to avoid paying taxes.  It&#039;s possible, but you have no proof of that.  I would argue that donating your wealth to charity has much more to do with supporting causes that you&#039;re passionate about - whether or not you think that they&#039;re the responsibility of good government.  For example, the Gates Foundation invests heavily in R&amp;D for the developing world, not something that is traditionally the domain of the US gov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your logic doesn&#39;t necessarily follow.  Just because Bill and Warren donate their fortune to charity does NOT mean that they do so to avoid paying taxes.  It&#39;s possible, but you have no proof of that.  I would argue that donating your wealth to charity has much more to do with supporting causes that you&#39;re passionate about &#8211; whether or not you think that they&#39;re the responsibility of good government.  For example, the Gates Foundation invests heavily in R&amp;D for the developing world, not something that is traditionally the domain of the US gov.</p>
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